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In a message dated 99-11-27 23:47:28 EST, you write: << Coming belatedly to the matter of allophones: It seems to me that any theorizing on the allophone has to consider at all times the fact that allophones are not really physical entities but rather psychological ones. You can analyze a given pronunciation phenomenon following strictly phonetic criteria and discover that it is exactly the same phenomenon that occurred at, say, two other previous times but miss out on the fact that the language user thought that the first two times it was the 'same' sound while the third time it was a 'different' sound. Conversely, three different pronunciation phenomena were adjuged by the language user as the 'same' sound. >> Jorge, I think you are also raising an important point, not only about psychological versus physical phenomena (which is one way to read the type/token distinction mentioned in some previous postings) but also that the description is at the level of psychological reality to the user, and not to the researcher...I'm not very well read up on current phonological theory, but I believe that phonological theory may be diverging in terms of explanatory goals--whereas generative phonology has been concerned with this level of psychological reality to the user and with the language user's overall judgments of "same" and "different " sounds and how these constitute a phonological system, more recent approaches may in fact try to theorize at the level of supposed cognitive structures inaccessible to speaker's normal awareness, although this may be a simplification...does anyone have information about this? I'm interested in this partly because of the difference in explaining phonology to linguists or phonological specialists and explaining basic principles to, for example, second language learners who are not especially trained in linguistics--if we perceive a difference between "voiced" and "unvoiced" for example, does it help a learner to know that the unvoiced is actually voiced, but with a later onset time? Isn't it really the perceived contrast between the two that makes a difference to the language user (if not the language specialist who can identify the "real" processes or the "real" allophones)? If that process is normally below conscious awareness, is that level of detail useful or even "real" if what is being heard is "unvoiced" as a phonemic contrast? A discussion about this point on the Linguist List a couple of years back raised this question for me specifically in relation to ESL and the kinds of explanations that teachers were giving their students--considering that I worked with non-linguist but educated and literate populations who had virtually no interest in that level of information. It seems that some important aspects of this discussion are: - the relationship of "type-level" description (pattern) to token-level description - the meaning of psychological reality and its relationship to the description of a phonemic system, specifically, is one discussing speakers' habitual awareness, trained awareness, or cognitive structures and processing - the relationship of phonological theory to phonetic theory (and perhaps the differential use of the concept "allophone" in both areas) - the relationship of sound differences related to meaning to other kinds of regular, sound patterning which are not related to propositional, denotational meaning (to put it crudely) Perhaps some discussion of what kinds of explanation for whom (and by whom) would open up some topics on phonological theory only implicitly touched upon here. John Thiels Ph.D. student Department of Anthropology Brandeis University Waltham, MAMail to author|Respond to list|Read more issues|LINGUIST home page|Top of issue