LINGUIST List 11.2285

Sun Oct 22 2000

Sum: Word Processing in Greek

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  1. Arthur Wang, Word Processing in Greek

Message 1: Word Processing in Greek

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 21:04:06 +0800
From: Arthur Wang <nlp0421gz.cngb.com>
Subject: Word Processing in Greek

For Query: Linguist 11.2257

Dear linguists:

On Oct.15 I posted the following message:

How can I type Greek in MS Word97? I tried inserting symbols but the speed 
is intolerable, and the letters were too widely scattered. Thanks for any 
help!

Within a couple of days I received a number of responses, among which I 
have found a suitable solution to my problem. Below is a summary of their 
information.

1. Chris Elliott:
Shareware programs and Greek fonts are available to download from the Net. 
Antioch (not appropriate in NT system) is based on the unicode system. It 
enables you by the click of an icon button to switch to the Greek font and 
to use any of the diacritics used in modern or ancient Greek. You will get 
Hebrew and coptic characters as a bonus. However you can only use the 
italic font without registering which costs $50 U.S. and a registration 
reminder pops up occasionally. The address is 
www.users.dircon.co.uk/~hancock/antioch.htm
Otherwise look for WinGreek (or possibly son of win Greek) which is 
commonly used but is getting older.
It's impossible to type Greek using Times New Roman. However, unless you 
wish to add Greek diacritics which is the big problem for writing Classical 
Greek, you really only need a Greek font of some kind which you can easilly 
get of the web. A couple of macros will be convenient so that for instance
if you hit Alt+ g you go into the Greek font and one such as Alt + r which 
will return you to Times Roman. Otherwise simply click on the appropriate 
font in the font list.

2. Lukas Pietsch:
(1)	For monotonic (i.e. modern) Greek, fonts and keyboard support are 
included in Windows 95/98. Go to System Setup, software, windows 
components, and install "language support for Greek". Then go to System 
Setup, keyboards, and install a new keyboard language.
(2)	For polytonic (classical) Greek writing, there's no system-wide 
keyboard support, but there are a couple of utilities for Word97. Word97 is 
the first word processor with full Unicode support. Consider using a 
Unicode (16-bit) encoding of the Greek characters (see: 
www.ziplink.net/~ptrourke/fonts.htm , or: 
www.arts.cornell.edu/classics/Faculty/Rusten/unicode/review.htm for 
information about Unicode.)
A rough-and-ready unicode Greek font is available for free at
http://www.nyu.edu/classes/latin2/athena.zip
Two keyboard utilities, both in the form of Word scripts, will do the rest 
of the job:
"Antioch": see www.users.dircon.co.uk/~hancock/antioch.htm ($50 shareware, 
includes another unicode font); and:
"Ukeys": see http://members.aol.com/AtticGreek/ ;($25 shareware).
A commercial program is:
"Polytonistis", from www.magenta.gr (free demo version for download, 
including another unicode font, full version for ca.$50 if I remember right.)

3. Christopher Brewster:
First install Greek support as part of the Windows installation.
Identify which key combination to use to switch to Greek (alternatively you 
may have an icon at the bottom right hand corner which allows you to switch 
language).
Then run Word. Switch to Greek and type away. (you will have to experiment 
to learn the keys).
This works for monotonic Modern Greek. For Ancient Greek, you need to learn 
a set of key-combinations to insert easily the accented characters.
Windows 98 and Word 97 are unicode compliant so there should be no real 
problems.

4. Magnus Hreinn Snaedal:
Site information: http://www.sil.org/computing/fonts/silgreek/

5. Freiderikos Valetopoulos offered to send me a font.

6. Robert Hagiwara:
A fairly good Greek font is available from 
http://www.sil.org/computing/fonts/silgreek/
Switching between their fonts and 'normal' is just a matter of swapping 
font in line.

7. Donald F. Reindl:
Download and install a Greek font for free at 
http://user.dtcc.edu/~berlin/fonts.html
Suppose you downloaded "Athenian" and install it in the font folder. If you 
select the "Athenian" font in MS Word and go through the insert symbol 
routine, and click on alpha, you'll see "Insert Athenian
character 97 (Unicode: F061)" at the bottom of your screen. The character 
values in this font range from 32 to 255. Characters numbered 32-126 
overlap with those on your keyboard, so if you press "a" you get alpha, "b" 
for beta, "c" for psi, and so on.
Notice, however, that epsilon with lenis and acute is character 166. To 
insert this character, you can use the insert symbol box, or you can hold 
down the ALT key and type "0166" on the numeric keypad. If you choose the 
latter route, you'll have to make a list of the characters 127-255 to have 
at hand.
An even better way to handle characters 127-255 is through macros (some are 
given at the web site above), but setting up an alternate keyboard 
definition, or by entering the values in the auto-correct file (e.g., 1e 
for epsilon acute, 1u for upsilon acute, etc.).

8. Nastia Loukina:
For Modern Greek (without different kinds of accents and aspiration - for 
these you need a special font you can find in Inet), add Greek language to 
your keyboard settings in START menu (Start - Settings - Control panel). 
MsOffice CD may be needed. Then if you change the language in the icon at 
the right corner of the screen, all your .ttf fonts will use Greek chars 
(the keyboard layout basically corresponds to the English one).

9. Anna Shnayder:
Multilanguage Support is needed Windows CD. Then go to Settings/ Keyboard/ 
Languages, and choose Add, then choose Greek. In the same window, choose 
Indicator, which will allow you to switch between
languages. In Word, when you switch to Greek, it should automatically go 
into the correct keyboard, but if it doesn't just select something like 
Times New Roman (Greek). Then experiment with your physical keyboard -- 
some keys will now print Greek characters, instead of what they have on them.

10. Jed PezBoySka:
Go to control panel-->keyboard and set up Greek. Then, switch to Greek when 
you open word. In addition, you may be able to use the "Greek" language in 
word (look in help). THis problem won't do much because you can't have 
spell/grammar check unless you buy the MS Proofing Kit (it probably costs a 
lot of money, Word comes with French, Spanish and English only).

11. John H. Stewart:
In the keyboards control panel, install any number of non-English keyboard 
layouts (and for that matter, a number of Engish layouts as well...). A 
Greek layout is one of them. Then type directly into Word in Greek.

12. Daniel Buncic:
Multilingual extension is needed, which is part of Windows 95+ (if this is 
not installed yet). In Windows Setup, you have to select "Greek". Then, in 
the system control, add a Greek keyboard - and now type Modern Greek. For 
Ancient Greek, it depends on the font you use. I have designed my own 
Ancient Greek font with all the diacritics as separate symbols, which just 
add to a letter symbol, so that you can combine symbols. That's very 
convenient, though it doesn't look as good as professional typesets. The 
keyboard you can design yourself with Janko's Keyboard Generator. Look at 
Janko's homepage:
http://solair.eunet.yu/~janko/
Probably you'll even find a link to a ready-made solution for Ancient Greek 
there.

13. Gina:
A very good tool, Sgreek, can be found at silver mountain fonts. 
( http://www.silvermnt.com/fonts.htm ) where there are all the breathings and 
accents. A registration fee is needed but only if you use it for 
commercial reasons.

14. Andy Wilcox:
Installation of at least one font is needed. Then go to Windows "Help", 
type in "language" then click Find, and find out how to change to another 
keyboard. This will include options for toggling between 
languages/character sets while you type, either with a clickable button 
bottom right, or with a key press, e.g. Alt+Shift.

I hope I haven't overlooked any response. Sorry if I have.

Arthur Wang

Guangdong University of Foreign Studies
Guangzhou, 510420
P. R. CHINA
nlp0421gz.cngb.com; arthur_jy_wangyahoo.com 
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