LINGUIST List 13.1969

Wed Jul 24 2002

Qs: "Counting-out" Rhymes, Pagliuca & Van Marle

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  1. Andy Arleo, "counting-out" rhymes
  2. richard epstein, Pagliuca and Van Marle

Message 1: "counting-out" rhymes

Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:57:46 +0200
From: Andy Arleo <>
Subject: "counting-out" rhymes

Dear Linguists,

I am doing research on counting-out rhymes, i.e. children's rhymes
used to designate, usually through elimination, a central player in
games like tag or hide and seek. I am familiar with the literature on
counting-out rhymes in English (e.g., Abrahams & Rankin, Opie,
Sutton-Smith) and French (Baucomont et al., Laforte) and am
particularly interested in information on c-o-r in non-IE languages. I
would greatly appreciate any information you could provide in the
areas listed below. I will be happy to post a summary of the results.

-References to studies, collections and recordings.
-Observations concerning form (especially metrics and rhythm),
content, function, sociolinguistic variables (age, sex, social class),
-Example(s) of (popular) counting-out rhymes used at present
(with the following information)
1) language or dialect
2) country, region or geographical area
3) words for "counting-out rhyme", "to count out", "counting-out",
4) name(s) of central player, often called "It" in English, who chases
or seeks other players

Best regards,

Andy Arleo
Universit´┐Ż de Nantes/ LACITO-CNRS
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Message 2: Pagliuca and Van Marle

Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:02:10 +0000
From: richard epstein <>
Subject: Pagliuca and Van Marle

Does anybody know how I can contact William Pagliuca and Jaap van
Marle? I've tried all the usual sources (google search, LinguistList,
LSA, etc.), but have not been able to find their current email

Thank you very much in advance for any help.

Best regards,
Rich Epstein						
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