LINGUIST List 16.1251
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Wed Apr 20 2005
Disc: Re: A Challenge to the Minimalist Community
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1. Martha
McGinnis,
Re: 16.1251156, A Challenge to the Minimalist Community
2. Peter
Hallman,
Re: 16.1251156, A Challenge to the Minimalist Community
Message 1: Re: 16.1156, A Challenge to the Minimalist Community
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Date: 13-Apr-2005
From: Martha McGinnis <mcginnis ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: 16.1156, A Challenge to the Minimalist Community
I was intrigued by Richard Sproat's challenge to the Minimalist community. As I understand it, the challenge calls for a renewed connection between computational and theoretical linguistics. The idea strikes me as intriguing -- it could create intellectual excitement and lead to new discoveries (not to mention more of those bright computer-science students in our syntax classes, always a good thing). Currently, the goals of the two fields are quite distinct: generative syntactic theory seeks to identify the universal structural principles constraining human language, which often manifest themselves most clearly in rather obscure and rarely-used aspects of language, like multiple wh-questions or passives, as well as in child language errors, selective impairments in aphasia, and so forth. By contrast, computational linguistics (at least the kind Richard Sproat is describing) seeks to develop an engineering tool that can reliably and efficiently parse a corpus into syntactic structures. Not surprisingly, practitioners in the two fields spend their time solving very different kinds of problems. Generally, I imagine, computational linguists have enough to do without also internalizing the current theoretical literature, and syntacticians have enough to do without also internalizing the current computational literature. Still, it seems as though there's a potential for convergence, if both theoretical and computational linguistics could be brought to bear on a computational model of the human language faculty, with all its 'inefficiencies' and limitations, as well as its capacities. A promising area for establishing an initial common ground would be sentence processing. For example, Ted Gibson's work on sentence processing is framed within a computational approach; and Colin Phillips' 1996 MIT dissertation proposes a very intriguing union of syntactic theory with sentence processing. This syntax-processing-computation nexus seems like an ideal starting point for anyone seeking to implement a computational model of language processing within a current principles-and-parameters approach. I do hope that Richard Sproat's challenge will result in a surge of interest and activity in this area. However, it seems to me that if such an effort is to succeed, it will not be made by scholars in one field submitting to the goals and assumptions of another. It will require genuine collaboration, with syntacticians, psycholinguists, and computational linguists working together to develop collective goals and assumptions, and committing their knowledge, time, and resources to cross-disciplinary interaction and the training of graduate students. This kind of collaborative research is challenging and very time-consuming, but it can pay big intellectual dividends. I imagine there are many linguists who would be happy to act as resources on Minimalist theory, if someone is looking for collaborators. Cheers, Martha _____________________________________________ Martha McGinnis, Assistant Professor Linguistics Department, University of Calgary 2500 University Drive NW, Calgary AB T2N 1N4 phone: (403) 220-6119 fax: (403) 282-3880 http://www.ling.ucalgary.ca/~mcginnis/ _____________________________________________
Linguistic Field(s):
Computational Linguistics
Discipline of Linguistics
Message 2: Re: 16.1156, A Challenge to the Minimalist Community
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Date: 13-Apr-2005
From: Peter Hallman <peter.hallman mcgill.ca>
Subject: Re: 16.1156, A Challenge to the Minimalist Community
In issue 16.1156, Richard Sproat and Shalom Lappin challenge the Minimalist community to ''to produce, by May of 2008, a working P&P [Principals and Parameters Framework] parser that can be trained in a supervised fashion on a standard treebank, such as the Penn Treebank, and perform in a range comparable to state-of-the-art statistical parsers,'' between 80% and 90% accuracy under certain conditions. The goals of the P&P approach to language acquisition are dramatically different from those of statistical approaches, which makes a comparison in terms of accuracy alone uninformative. The P&P framework seeks to connect typological universals to the mechanism of language learning, in effect explaining those universals as properties of the initial state of the trainable parser. A statistical parser can, within physical limitations, recognize and learn any statistically significant pattern, not merely those patterns that occur in human languages. The P&P approach finds this disadvantageous, because the P&P framework seeks to answer the question ''What is a possible human language (type)?'' The P&P parser that Sproat and Lappin envision would answer this question; comparable statistical parsers do not. A successful P&P parser would not only acquire the target language accurately, it would behave like a language learner in its acquisition timeline and would fail to acquire languages that violate language universals. It would have to display these properties in order to successfully learn the target language, because these properties ought to be inherent in the parameters underlying the system. So the P&P parser that Sproat and Lappin envision would accomplish much more than comparable statistical parsers, which makes the proposed accuracy metric a poor yardstick for comparison, and furthermore, I suspect, it makes the three-year timeline unrealistic, especially since there is no reason to believe that the discovery of parameters and implicational relations among them is finished at the present time and ready to form the basis of a trainable parser. Nonetheless, I hope someone takes up the challenge (it's not my field), since the attempt can only benefit the P&P framework. Perhaps there should be a prize. Peter Hallman Department of Linguistics McGill University Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Linguistic Field(s):
Computational Linguistics
Discipline of Linguistics
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