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LINGUIST List 17.128

Mon Jan 16 2006

Qs: 'Have' Meaning 'Perceive';Undergrad Teaching Ideas

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        1.    J-C Khalifa, 'Have' Meaning 'Perceive'
        2.    Jenifer Larson-Hall, Teaching Ideas for Undergraduates

Message 1: 'Have' Meaning 'Perceive'
Date: 16-Jan-2006
From: J-C Khalifa <jckricky.iutgeap.univ-poitiers.fr>
Subject: 'Have' Meaning 'Perceive'

I'm still working on causatives and perception verbs; some of the great
XXth century descriptive grammarians of English have indeed pointed to some
interesting overlaps in meaning, e.g. :

"Further, have stands with an accusative (commonly of the person) and the
pure infinitive, if have imports as much as to have in the reach of one's
perception or experience." (Maetzner, vol. III, p. 8)

and conversely,

"To see sometimes appears in a modified meaning, approximating to that of
1. to have: I should like to see you do it. Francis in the moment of
triumph saw himself confronted by a new rival. Green, Sh. Hist., Sect V, 322
2. To cause, to attend to: see these letters delivered. Merch., II, 2, 123"
(Poutsma, I, 2, p. 573)

and I was wondering whether there were any languages where the verb HAVE,
when it exists, can take a perception value, or conversely, SEE can be
treated as a causative verb.

I'm also curious to know whether there are many languages where pairs like
SEE / LOOK AT or HEAR / LISTEN TO are rendered with the same verb, but in a
different construction. I know it seems to be the case for Japanese, at least
for SEE (miru), but I'd welcome any example in any language.

Also, in view of the classic examples (borrowed from Kirsner & Thompson 1976):

The delirious patient saw the room spinning around him (but we know it wasn't

While on that drug, Grace watched little green men dancing on her belly (but of
course there weren't any little green men)

When the neurologist stimulated that particular area of her brain, Susan saw the
light turn red (even though it really did not)

People suffering from auditory diseases often hear bells ring and whistles blow

I was just wondering whether there were any languages that would mark "false
perceptions" differently from "real" ones, in the same way as, say, evidentials,
and in which the above examples would then take a different verbal morphology,
or case-marking, or word order, than, say John saw Mary dancing with Fred, or
any other "normal" example of perceived event.

Thanks in advance, of course I'll post a summary if I get enough interesting

Jean-Charles Khalifa

Linguistic Field(s): Pragmatics
Message 2: Teaching Ideas for Undergraduates
Date: 11-Jan-2006
From: Jenifer Larson-Hall <jeniferunt.edu>
Subject: Teaching Ideas for Undergraduates

I teach a language acquisition course for undergraduates, mostly education
majors. I am looking for innovative and fun ideas for activities
specificially for linguistics or applied linguistics that other teachers
have used in the classroom. For example, you might have used K'Nex building
pieces to illustrate how grammar works, or had students do a project where
they went to a town hall meeting and wrote down interesting sentences they
heard. I would certainly be glad to post a summary of interesting teaching
ideas, and hope I would not be recreating a previous query (I did try to
search for something like this on Linguist List, but did not find it).

Linguistic Field(s): General Linguistics

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