LINGUIST List 17.2149
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Wed Jul 26 2006
Disc: Phonetics in Grammar; 'Silenceme'; Logical Form 'Meaningful'?
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1. Heriberto
Avelino,
New: Phonetics in Grammar?
2. Debaprasad
Bandyopadhyay,
New: Silenceme: the silent other in Linguistics
3. Debaprasad
Bandyopadhyay,
New: Logical Form: 'Really Meaningful?'
Message 1: New: Phonetics in Grammar?
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Date: 26-Jul-2006
From: Heriberto Avelino <avelino berkeley.edu>
Subject: New: Phonetics in Grammar?
Recently, I was part of a discussion regarding an issue that I thought was uncontroversial. However, it seems that this is not as straightforward as I first thought. The debate is about the place of phonetics in the study of 'grammar'. More precisely, whether the study of sound patterns using phonetic methodologies and techniques falls within the broad scope of the term 'grammar'. My position is that phonetics, indeed, belongs and should be included in 'grammar', whatever notion we may have of it, either as the more abstract idea of grammar as universal grammar or the more practical notion of grammar as the grammatical description of a given language. The antagonistic view to my own seems to be rooted in the fact that some traditional descriptive grammars have not included sections of the sound patterns of similar length to those dedicated to morpho-syntactic aspects of the language. While this is true and we often find that the phonology section of many grammars are reduced to the inventory of phonemes, I believe that this is, in part, because in the past the access to the tools and techniques was limited and linguists didn't have the training to provide more detailed descriptions of the sound patterns (Maddieson (2003) shows the low proportion of phonetics in 20 recent grammars). However, it is clear that many earlier and quite solid grammars, which have been praised as exemplars in the field, such as Sapir's Southern Paiute, Dixon's Yidin or Aoki's Nez Perce contain rich sections devoted to the fine phonetic description of the sound patterns of the languages. (I always wondered whether Sapir would have included acoustic analysis of the remarkable glottal processess in S. Paiute and corresponding illustrations if he had had expedite access to a sonograph.) Another point to consider supporting the inclusion of phonetics in 'grammar' comes from languages with complex phonological processes which indicate grammatical categories, such as tone, non-modal phonation, nasalization and consonant mutation processes, among others. In these languages is especially clear that the instrumental study of the sounds might help to a better understanding of the nature of these processes and the interface of the different levels of linguistic analysis. Just to mention an example, a phenomenon called a 'ballistic syllable' has been described for several Otomanguean languages. The descriptions (as well as my own impressionistic observations) suggest processes related to the control of tone, non-modal phonation, intensity and overall 'effort' in the implementation of the contrast. Interestingly enough, the contrast is not only lexical but also is exploited in inflection of verb and noun paradigms. However, even with the heroic efforts of several scholars, we still do not know completely what the nature and appropriate description and analysis of 'ballistic syllables' is; in fact, we don't even know if the term refers to the same phenomenon across languages or covers several distinct processes. Nevertheless, how to produce a ballistic syllable has to be part of the speaker's knowledge, and thus grammar. I think that with languages of this type the study of phonetics shows particularly clearly that it merits being included in 'grammar'. One further domain where the need of phonetics is evident is in the study of intonation. Prosody is one of the less well-known areas of many languages and one where grammars do not abound in basic facts. However, I believe, nobody could deny that intonation is, indeed, a crucial component of grammar. Perhaps, its exclusion from descriptive grammars is due first to the limited access to tools that could adequately capture the phonetic nature of the phenomenon, but also (and maybe derived to some extent from the latter) to the absence of a descriptive framework within which to describe the patterns and handle the relationship between prosody and syntactic/semantic aspects of the language. With the development of better models and methods for the study of intonation, there has been a clear advance in knowledge of universal and language-specific patterns in this area but so far this is not typically reflected in descriptive grammars. In sum, I would like to see the grammars of the future including rich informative sections dealing with the phonetics of languages, including as far as possible instrumental measures of the basic acoustics and the most prominent phenomena of their sound patterns. Now we have the conditions to produce these more complete grammars: A basic grounding in phonetics is taught in most linguistic programs, acoustic analysis tools are accessible to almost anyone with access to a computer and internet, and - just as with any other aspect of grammar - the data to construct typologies of phonetic phenomena must come from descriptions of individual languages. Describing the grammar of a language entails necessarily describing its phonetic structures. Anyhow, because it seems that not everybody shares the idea that phonetics should be considered a substantive part of grammar, I'd like to hear the reactions from the community. I would appreciate very much your comments and views. References Maddieson, Ian. 2003. ''Field phonetics.'' In J. Larson & M. Paster, eds., Proceedings of the 28th Annual Meeting of the Berkeley Linguistics Society, 411-429. Dixon, R.M.W. 1977. A Grammar of Yidin Cambridge. Cambridge studies in linguistics ; 19) New York : Cambridge University Press, Sapir, Edward. 1931. Southern Paiute, a Shoshonean language. Texts of the Kaibab Paiutes and Uintah Utes. Southern Paiute dictionary, (Proceedings of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences ; v.65) Aoki, Haruo. (1970). Nez Perce grammar. University of California publications in linguistics (Vol. 62). Berkeley: University of California Press. (Reprinted 1973, California Library Reprint series). ===================== 'Life is short but wide' Heriberto Avelino Department of Linguistics 1203 Dwinelle Hall, University of California at Berkeley Berkeley, CA 94720-2650 Phone: (510) 642-2757 Fax: (510) 643-5688 http://www.linguistics.berkeley.edu/~avelino/ =====================
Linguistic Field(s):
Discipline of Linguistics
General Linguistics
Phonetics
Message 2: New: Silenceme: the silent other in Linguistics
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Date: 25-Jul-2006
From: Debaprasad Bandyopadhyay <anekanta rediffmail.com>
Subject: New: Silenceme: the silent other in Linguistics
If Linguistics is stipulated, for the time being, as an epistemological discipline for the deployment of algocentric (a discourse that is motivated by metamathematical formalism or computational algorithmic simulation and which ignores the non-algorithmic constitutive “rules”) meta-symbolic order on the symbolic order, one may find a marginal other in Linguistics—an order of non-signs. For these non-signs, let me introduce a term: “silenceme”, which is at a time a non-sign and a sign and does not have a fixed componential meaning and thus violates the law of excluded middle. A blank parchment with the supposed seal of Caesar, when “read” by Antony, swayed the commoners (Julius Caesar, 3.2). In Tagore’s play, Post-office, a conspirator, out of fun, sent a blank letter to an “illiterate” boy, who was expecting king’s letter, when he was waiting for death. However, another character altogether differently interpreted that blank letter. This blankness of the white letter, then, was not interpreted as a poisonous fun, but as a “real” remedy for that boy. When you were asking me, “What’re you doing?” I said, “Nothing.” This single word, ”nothing” , a supposed minimal “free” (Where lies the essential freedom of word? ) form, is not free at all—“nothing” ’s freedom was pervaded by “other” non-signs, nothingness, the unspoken or something unspeakable, the non-discursive sonority or unintended sounds (as in John Cage’s musical compositions or in Rauschenberg and Robert Ryman’s Minimalist paintings with almost white surfaces.) There may be a strategic taxonomy of silenceme: cognitive silenceme, transcendental silenceme (as in case of seeking absolute silence and that is impossible!); Pathological silenceme (as in case of Foreclosure or Psychosis, the symbolic order is totally or partially rejected [instead of being repressed]; one’s Language Acquisition Device is not working due to the outside threat and violence); Creative silenceme ( as practiced by some Buddhists by non-internalizing the outside threat and violence.); Silenceme of conspiracy (the phrase “conspiracy of silence” was often used by Marx and Engels) etc. Thus, spoke Sartre: being silent does not entail that I am refusing to speak but it is a mode of keeping on speaking (What is Literature). What will we, the linguist community, do with such so-called ambiguous category? In Linguistics, what will be our agenda now? May we take Wittgenstein or John Cage seriously? Alternatively, we may ignore the silent marginal “other” space in Linguistics: the silenceme!
Linguistic Field(s):
Linguistic Theories
Philosophy of Language
Message 3: New: Logical Form: 'Really Meaningful?'
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Date: 25-Jul-2006
From: Debaprasad Bandyopadhyay <anekanta rediffmail.com>
Subject: New: Logical Form: 'Really Meaningful?'
Is it “true” that when anyone is rewriting a “sentence” in Logical Form (LF) by deploying metalinguistic constants and variables, the ultimate output would reveal the ‘true’ meaning of a given sentence? In LF, a major concentration is devoted to describe and understand the ‘real world’. This supposed logical positivist “real” is incorporated in the logical analysis of sentences in the algorithmic chain of LF of S-Structure by deploying sentential calculus. LF mainly follows Fregean compositionality or its derivatives like Katz-Fodorian Model. The following questions may be asked: 1. What is “real” in this real world? (To answer such question, one may take a clue from Russell’s An Inquiry into Meaning and Truth: “We all start from ‘naïve realism,’ i.e., the doctrine the things are what they seem. We think that grass is green, that stones are hard and snow is cold. But physics assures us that the greenness of grass, the hardness of stones, and coldness of snow are not the greenness, hardness and coldness that we know in our own experience, but something very different. The observer, when he (sic) seems to himself (sic) to be observing a stone, is really, if physics is to be believed, observing the effects of the stone upon himself (sic). Thus science seems to be at war with itself: when it most means to be objective, it finds itself plunged into subjectivity against its will. Naïve realism leads to physics, and physics, if true, shows that naïve realism is false. Therefore naïve realism, if true, is false; therefore it is false.” (1940:15) 2. What happens in LF if anyone puts Russell’s paradox (1913) in LF? How do we incorporate Gödel’s theorem to tackle a formal system like LF? According to Goedel’s theorem (1931), no formal system is complete enough to handle all the problems within a formal paradigm. If anyone puts any Goedel’s proposition or Russell’s paradox (“One Calcuttan says that all Calcuttans are liars”) in LF of S-Structure, the total formal as well as mechanical algorithmic system to gauge the meaning may collapse. 3. Katz-Fodorian (1963) system of binary componential analysis ignores the prototypical cognition of meaning by the human being. As some cognitive scientist observed that the meaning as endorsed by human beings, could not be analyzed by the stipulated components as humans understand meaning through prototypical cognition. What should we follow in semantic analysis: technical intelligentsia’s critical discursive habit of paraphrasing or commonsense deployment of prototypes? 4. Let us switch over to another schooling and try to understand semantic problems raised by continental philosophers (under the umbrella of so-called Post-Formalism/ Structuralism). These Post-Formalists are talking about plural meanings of non-disposable texts as well as something called ‘surplus meanings’, which is not at all analyzable or quantifiable . According to them, the meaning-site is too slippery area and any futile endeavor to formalize such site will be ended in vain. Do you think that they are neglecting ‘science’ and its formalism by promoting “un-scientific” non-formalism?
Linguistic Field(s):
Cognitive Science
Linguistic Theories
Philosophy of Language
Semantics
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