LINGUIST List 2.366

Friday, 26 July 1991

Qs: Stieber's Law, Kartvelian, Suffix, Character Encoding

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  1. Alexis Manaster Ramer, Stieber's Law
  2. Alexis Manaster Ramer, A query regarding Mama and Dada
  3. Margaret Fleck, X-gate
  4. Geoffrey Russom, Re: Character Encoding

Message 1: Stieber's Law

Date: Thu, 25 Jul 91 22:54:46 EDT
From: Alexis Manaster Ramer <USERGDD8%WAYNEMTS.bitnetRICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
Subject: Stieber's Law
---(Forwarded from: Alexis Manaster RamerWAYNEMTS.BITNET, Dated: Thu, 25 Jul 91
 22:52:40 EDT)---
A query regarding the history of phonology:
 In the 1930's a Polish linguist named Stieber stated the
principle that an analogical change could not produce a new
phonemic contrast in a language. However, he does not claim
any originality, so I wonder if anyone knows who first came
up with this idea. Try as I might, I fail to find anything
like it in the writings of Baudouin, Ulaszyn, etc.
Also, if anyone has any comments on the validity of this law,
I would be interested. In my 1981 dissertation "How abstruse
is phonology?" I tried to debunk all the classic counterexamples
to this law, and am thinking of publishing the relevant material
soon.
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Message 2: A query regarding Mama and Dada

Date: Thu, 25 Jul 91 22:58:22 EDT
From: Alexis Manaster Ramer <USERGDD8%WAYNEMTS.bitnetRICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
Subject: A query regarding Mama and Dada
I am preparing a brief article arguing that the well-known Kartvelian
words mama 'father' and deda 'mother', celebrated for the way in which
they reverse the expected sound-meaning mapping, are etymologically
'man' and 'woman', resp. I would be grateful for any information
on the following:
 (a) Has anybody claimed this before?
 (b) Does anybody know other cases of mama-type words for 'father'
 or dada-type words for 'mother'?
 (c) Does anybody know of other cases where 'man' -> 'father'
 or 'woman' -> mother?
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Message 3: X-gate

Date: Fri, 26 Jul 91 10:00:26 BST
From: Margaret Fleck <fleck%robots.oxford.ac.ukRICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
Subject: X-gate
So does English now have a suffix '-gate'?
 Watergate
 Irangate
 Contragate
 Muldergate (South African)
 Inkathagate
Margaret
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Message 4: Re: Character Encoding

Date: Fri, 26 Jul 91 08:54:02 EDT
From: Geoffrey Russom <EL403015brownvm.brown.edu>
Subject: Re: Character Encoding
Thanks to Ken Whistler for his information on the politics of the
encoding debate. One question: who is representing the interests
of scholars who work on dead languages? King Alfred can hardly
be expected to send a representative on behalf of Old English.
 Wes hal,
 Rick Russom
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