LINGUIST List 3.663

Fri 04 Sep 1992

Disc: Reanalyses

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1. "Bruce E. Nevin", reanalysis: windshield factor
2. Debbie Berkley, Re: 3.652 Reanalyses
3. , "deserves you right"
4. Greg Stump, Reanalyses
5. , RE: 3.609 Queries: Interlingua, Winnebago, Reanalysis
6. "M. Serena Spenser", Re: 3.652 Reanalyses
7. mark, got for

"Wind chill factor" --> "windshield factor" for my
grandmother-in-law (97, reared in Chelsea when there was a there
there, Glencoe most of her life).

	Bruce
	bnbbn.com

Message 2: Re: 3.652 Reanalyses

And of course there are the notorious "heating ducks" (for heating
ducts). Our library's instructions for carrel users has even had it
spelled "duck."

Deborah Milam Berkley

Mike Maxwell's message about "forget" taking the form
"get for" in child language
reminds me of my sister's childhood use of "deserve" for "serve" in the idiom
"it deserves [i.e, serves] you right".
Mimi Klaiman

The example _I got for it_ `I forgot it' cited by Mike Maxwell from the
speech of his four-year-old daughter reminds me of a similar utterance
made by my niece when she was about the same age: _I for just got_
`I just forgot'.

Message 5: RE: 3.609 Queries: Interlingua, Winnebago, Reanalysis

Re Ellen Prince's query, my somewhat autistic,
though not notably linguistically
impaired daughter, then aged around four, said
exactly the same kind of thing in
response to an exasperated imperative: 'Behave!' - 'I AM being have'. I imagine
she analysed it like 'good' in 'Be good!' - 'I AM being good'. Another apparent
reanalysis (or something) I heard from a 14-year old girl when I was secondary
school teaching for a while was 'under the neath', apparently on the model of
'under the table'.

Paul Werth

Message 6: Re: 3.652 Reanalyses

In reading recent (well, relatively recent!) postings about "being have",
I was reminded of something a good friend of mine used to drive me crazy
with all the time. Whenever I'd admonish him to "behave" because he was
being silly, he'd say:
	"How can I be have, when I'm Steve?"
Has anyone else seen (um- heard) this sort of nominal treatment of 'have'?

M. Serena Spenser (mspst5unix.cis.pitt.edu)
University of Pittsburgh

Mike Maxwell's report of a near-4-year-old's saying "I got for it"
as equivalent to "I forgot it" suggests that the child analyzed
"forget" as a verb with a separably-prefixed preposition, e.g.,
 1. The crowd turned the car over.
 2. The crowd turned over the car.
as equivalents of
 3. The crowd overturned the car.

Having said this, I must admit that forms like (3) aren't very
common in American English everyday home conversation.

 Mark A. Mandel
 Dragon Systems, Inc. : speech recognition : +1 617 965-5200
 320 Nevada St. : Newton, Mass. 02160, USA