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It seems to me that one of the most important contributions that Linguist can play in the linguistic community is rapid checking of claims or answers to rather esoteric questions. This is why I posted my information on the sound [tp~] in Wari'. I certainly had never heard of anything like it. But now it seems that there are similar sounds in the Caucasian languages. The main difference between Wari' 's sound and the sounds reported below just seems to be that the labial portion of the sound in Wari' always involves obvious vibration/trilling. Nevertheless, I do appreciate these responses and pass them along. First, Bernard Comrie writes the following: From: Bernard Comrie To: deverMail to author|Respond to list|Read more issues|LINGUIST home page|Top of issuepogo.isp.pitt.edu Date: 20 Sep 94 Subject: tp~ Dan: I saw your note on the LINGUIST list concerning a new sound in Wari'. It rang a bell concerning something in some of the NW Caucasian languages. The following is my translation of the relevant part of Hans Vogt's Dictionnaire de la langue oubykh, Oslo, 1963, p.16; the last sentence is the crucial one. The reference to Dumezil is to his article in Bulletin de la Societe de Linguistique de Paris 50 (1954). Vogt is discussing the phonetic realization of labialization with different classes of consonants: "In the third case, that of the labialized dental occlusives, we have complete labial closure effected at the same time as the supradental closure. In the labial closure the lower lip rests against the inner edge of the upper lip, raising it slightly, in the dental closure, the tip of the tongue seems to rest against the upper incisors. The two releases, labial and dental, seem simultaneous, the air escaping through a rather narrow orifice, narrower than in the case of the labialized posteriors [i.e. velars and pharyngals--BC], giving the stops in question an [u<umlaut>] quality. The labial release may be accompanied, in an emphatic pronunciation, by lip vibration, a fact noted by Mr. Dumezil." In Ubykh, [tp~] seems thus to be a variant pronunciation, but a perfectly acceptable one. I leave it to you to judge how comparable it is to the Wari' case. Best--Bernard. Paul Roser referred me to the following sources, both of which further document [tp~]-like sounds in Caucasian languages: On Tue, 20 Sep 1994, Paul Kenneth Roser wrote: > J.C. Catford (1972) "Labialization in Caucasian Languages with > special reference to Abkhaz" in Proceedings of the 7th International > Congress of Phonetic Sciences. Rigault & Charbonneau (eds) > Hague-Paris:Mouton. pp.679-682 > John Colarusso (1988) The Northwest Caucasian Languages: A > Phonological Survey. Garland Pub.:NY (pp. 152-153, 163, 193)