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This message was originally constructed in response to David Gil's posting about why people try to come up with 'complex' theories of quantification. Hopefully, this will be interesting to a wider audience than just those who are following Gil's thread. The points address those raised in Gil's original message. Point 1) There is an added complication with 'two men love three women' in that you have plural noun phrases. This leads to interactions of scope with distributive and collective readings. The 'standard wisdom' for these can be found in the non-theory-bound paper of Davies (_Linguistics and Philosophy_ 1989, 293--324), "Three examiners marked six scripts", the Heim, Lasnik and May _Linguistic Inquiry_ paper on reciprocity (1991), containing a GB version, or I could send anyone who's interested my own unpublished CG account. Davies most clearly states the possible readings for such a sentence, based on TWO quantifiers for each noun phrase: Exists X, a set of two men Exists Y, a set of three women ( forall x in X (distributive) OR for some x formed of a group of X (collective)) ( forall y in Y (distributive) OR for some y formed of a group of Y (collective)) alternated so that there are no free variables (there are well-founded mechanisms for guarnteeing this in both Cooper-storage, Montagovian, GB and HPSG accounts). These possibilities account for the four readings you suggest, along with the other possibilities, most clearly seen in cases such as Davies'. These readings (with your possibilities in brackets): Exists X, forall x in X, Exists Y, forall y in Y love(x,y) [I] Exists X, forall x in X, Exists Y, some group y of Y love(x,y) Exists X, some group x of X, Exists Y, forall y in Y love(x,y) Exists X, some group x of X, Exists Y, some group y of Y love(x,y) [IV] Exists Y, forall y in Y, Exists X, forall x in X love(x,y) [II] Exists Y, forall y in Y, Exists X, some group x of X love(x,y) Exists Y, some group y of Y, Exists X, forall x in X love(x,y) Exists X, Exists Y, forall x in X, forall y in Y love(x,y) [III] The other readings, from different scopings, are all logically equivalent to one of the ones above. (Note that this assumes the hypothesis of Partee (ms) and later Roberts (1989) that the cumulative readings of Scha (1984?) are group-group readings, your reading IV.) Also note that none of these readings require branching quantifiers, but rather stem from grouping rather than distributing. Davies used branching quantifiers for the last case above, your III, as you suggest. But the analyses I just listed, basically those of Heim et al., show that they aren't necessary. Point 2) What's your empirical evidence that humans generate limited readings of quantifier scopings as opposed to those proposed in the theoretical semantics literature? Is it psycholinguistic, or did you just ask people in the null context? I'd suggest looking at: Howard Kurtzman and Maryellen MacDonald (1993) "Resolution of quantifier scope ambiguities", _Cognition_, 48:243--279. They conclude that scope preferences for readings are NOT structurally determined, but rather stem from preferences having to do with lexical semantics of the terms involved. And furthermore, they cite reaction time and priming evidence which indicates that multiple readings are computed in parallel on-line. Point 3) I didn't see the relevance of branching quantifiers. The only motivation for branching quantifiers with which I'm familiar (and I also asked Jon Barwise, albeit he was responding off the top of his head at a conference) involves the sentences above which Heim et al. demonstrated don't need that additional device. So as far as I can tell, branching's inessential. Point 4) This is also undercut by the above discussion. As you claim that there are two equivalent readings, one with branching, and one with wide-scope existential, I don't see that you can conclude that: "(1) should accordingly be represented not with wide scope for the existential quantifier (as per alternative (a) Point 3), but rather with branching universal and existential quantifiers (as per alternative (b) Point 3) -- contrary to Claim B above." End of response to your arguments. And by the way, Davies does respond to Kempson and Cormack (1981: Linguistics and Philosophy), who as far as I can understand Davies' portrayal of K&C and your portrayal of your own arguments, are making similar points, and Davies also cites Tennant (Linguistics and Philosophy 1981) as responding to K&C's claims. I'm not sure your argument is coherent (reason (a)), because it's not stated precisely enough (which I guess is your reason (b)). For instance, what principle do you provide that will do the right thing for the following two sentences? A kid likes every toy. Every kid likes a toy. Here the problem is in the syntax/semantics mapping and making sure that you get the same scope altenations for both sentences (one branching, one wide-scope universal, if I understand you correctly). At this point in time, I'd also say that your argument is fairly irrelevant, given the analyses of Heim et al., which can be easily transferred from GB to your favorite syntactic theory. Note that there is no 'elaborate theoretical edifice' which has been built to get the above readings. They're very natural -- just look at the Heim et al. article. And I don't see how you can get around something similar for quantifier scoping and still get all the possible readings, even if you do allow branching, which itself goes beyond classical first-order logic, if that's your base-line for determining what's an 'elaborate theoretical edifice'. Furthermore, how do you account for the interaction of quantifiers with control, unbounded dependencies, extraction islands, coordination, de-dicto/de-re intensional verbs, negation, adverbs, adjuncts, embedded sentences, etc.? My own theory, in logical Categorial Grammar (Lambek style + scope) minus the plurals, can be gotten via anonymous ftp in compressed format (use binary mode, then uncompress) on j.gp.cs.cmu.edu by cd-ing to /usr1/carp/ftp/ and getting the file quants.ps.Z (in binary mode, of course). I have to admit that I haven't read Aoun and Li's book. I find GB (or whatever acronymned theory has descended from it lately) pretty impenetrable at best, and assume it's in that framework. If it's as good as Heim et al., though, I'll gladly wade through it. I would assume they at least address the problems stated in the previous paragraph. Please send responses to me directly rather than to the list. I'll summarize and repost if there are multiple comments. - Bob Carpenter Computational Linguistics Program, Philosophy Department Carnegie Mellon University, Pittsburgh, PA 15213 Net: carpMail to author|Respond to list|Read more issues|LINGUIST home page|Top of issuelcl.cmu.edu Phone: (412) 268-8043 Fax: (412) 268-1440