LINGUIST List 6.1158

Sat Aug 26 1995

Qs: Click, Glamour, Ling for teens, Models of perception

Editor for this issue: T. Daniel Seely <>


  1. Joseph P Stemberger, Q: click features
  2. Richard Hudson, GLAMOUR from GRAMMAR?
  3. karen stanley, linguistics for teenagers
  4. Patrick Crehan, non-linear models of auditory perception

Message 1: Q: click features

Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 13:17:37 Q: click features
From: Joseph P Stemberger <>
Subject: Q: click features

Can anyone tell me what phonological features are being used these days
to distinguish clicks from regular stops?

As I recall, SPE just treated them as velarized stops, and a common thing
these days is to consider a dental click to have both [Coronal] and
[Dorsal] articulator nodes. The fact that there's low oral pressure in
the click seems to be viewed as a phonetic fact more than a phonological
one by many phonologists.

But that has a potential problem with the bilabial click, since the
labiovelar stop [kp] is also just [Labial,Dorsal]. If any language has
both [kp] and a bilabial click, some additional feature is needed.
(Are there languages with both? If not, I guess it's not a problem.)
(If there are languages with both, what are people using to distinguish

And if some phonologists are using some special features to characterize
clicks in general, what are they?

Thanks, from a non-africanist

- -Joe Stemberger
 University of Minnesota
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Message 2: GLAMOUR from GRAMMAR?

Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 13:27:36 GLAMOUR from GRAMMAR?
From: Richard Hudson <>
Subject: GLAMOUR from GRAMMAR?

At least one etymological dictionary (Partridge's Origins) says that GLAMOUR
is based on GRAMMAR. Can I trust it/him? And if so, what about that `L' -
why R > L?

Incidentally, Partridge says the following:

"Glamo(u)r" was vogue'd [sic] by Scott for `magic, a magical charm': on the
basis of "grammar" in the sense usually attached to obsolete "gram(m)arye":
`magic, occult science', powers often, in medieval times, attributed to the

I very much hope the etymology IS right (otherwise I've been misleading
generations of students ...), but I'd love to be able to explain the L when
eyebrows go up.

Prof Richard Hudson Tel: +44 171 387 7050 ext 3152
Dept. of Phonetics and Linguistics Tel: +44 171 380 7172
 Fax: +44 171 383 4108
Gower Street
London WC1E 6BT
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Message 3: linguistics for teenagers

Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 08:46:32 linguistics for teenagers
Subject: linguistics for teenagers

For five years, I tutored (acting as in-loco-English-speaking-parentis)
a young (now 14) Japanese girl. For several months before she went back
to Japan earlier this year, we talked a lot about linguistics. She is
very interested in this as a possible future career direction, so I
promised her I would look for a book about linguistics that was at her
level. (At this point, she would need English, not Japanese.)
No one I have thus far asked about this seems to know of a textbook on
linguistics that would be appropriate for teenagers/high school. If
anyone has a suggestion, I would appreciate it.
Karen Stanley
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Message 4: non-linear models of auditory perception

Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 15:11:27 non-linear models of auditory perception
From: Patrick Crehan <>
Subject: non-linear models of auditory perception

I am working on a non-linear signal processing technique
which might have application in the field of auditory perception.

I would like to locate sources of information and/or
experimental data in the area of acoustic/auditory phonetics.

My own background is in mathematical physics and I would
be grateful for any help received. I will of course post a summary
to the list of there is any interest.

Thanks in advance!
Pat(rick Crehan)
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Patrick Crehan
Dept. of Mathematical Physics
University College Dublin
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