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A few posts on the subject have pleased me: I am perhaps not alone in having eccentric beliefs about non-human languages. It had started when I was hoping, after finishing my PhD, to work on dolphins' language; it had continued when I read, somewhere, that the deaf's sign language was not a language (how did those people whom I saw meeting regularly in the pub down the road communicate, then, if they did not have a language? I often envied them being stone deaf -- cursed with hearing as I am, I dislike noisy pubs and restaurants). A that stage, it got me thinking that "proper" human language dealt with encoding an n-dimensional conceptual universe into one-dimensional strings (perhaps with a degenerate dimension extra, if you pay attention to prosodic features). That, sign language, on the other hand, encoded it into definitely two dimensions or more -- even though I could not figure out how many, let alone which, having found so little in the literature (just as anyone doing linguistics should know at least a few foreign languages, perhaps, perhaps they should know at least some sign language, and have practiced it. When I say "perhaps" I mean "definitely", of course. "Perhaps" is a euphemism, a weak excuse for not having taken the time to learn and practice sign language). Later, about dolphins' languages, no *cetacean* in this case, I read, somewhere, the circumstances under which orcs had learnt to avoid boats equipped with harpoon guns, which seemed to mean that they must have been "told" how to recognize them by the first to meet those boats for the first time. This seemed too efficient. You just try to explain to someone how to recognize a contraption never encountered before. No paper and pencil, just words. Misunderstandings galore. That got me thinking about another possible form of communication. Cetaceans "see" by sonar, like bats. They communicate, we read, by sound, in a very wide range (a few hertz to 100KHz or more if memory serves). What if they actually communicated by *projecting* sonar images then? Paintings as it were, along with stylized representations. Animated too, that's quite possible. Later again, I tied that in with what some will tell you about the intelligence of birds, how some mynah birds seem to understand a few words and use them in the proper context. The complexity of bird songs. The hopelessness of some schemes dreamt up to find out if animals communicated through language strikes me now. Putting birds, or whatever, in different cages or pens, training one set to push the third lever from the left to get food; see if they communicate their discovery to the those in the other pen. If they communicate by projected sonar image we are looking for the needle in the haystack. By song modulation, ditto. There would be, at any rate, dozens, nay, hundreds of ways of explaining "push the third lever". How would *you* say "lever" if you had never had anything like it in your environment? "Third"? "From the left"? So even if they jabbered in a human-like language, one phoneme after the other, we would have a very hard time of spotting their exchange. You know the story about how they said "piano" in Beach-la-Mar: "big fella box, he got black and white teeth, missus belong white master he fight'im belong him, box he cry now". There's more than one way to say "piano" that way! I have, then, come to this notion that, when we meet non-human, sentient beings, we probably won't recognize the fact. That those definitions (and redefinitions) of language as human language with these and those features, and if it hasn't got it then it isn't language, are utterly uninteresting. They would be at best entirely useless, only vacuous tautologies (isn't that self-referencing!). But in fact they can only be obnoxious, leading to methods incapable of recognizing and analyzing "non-human" languages. Such as ASL (insert a sarcastic smiley here). To conclude on a related theme. I keep reading how the reconstructed vocal tract of Neanderthals shows that they could not have a full language, because ... blah blah (I really am loath to repeat the argument). How about the vocal tract of a parrot, reconstructed from its skeleton? j.guyMail to author|Respond to list|Read more issues|LINGUIST home page|Top of issuetrl.oz.au