LINGUIST List 6.1605

Mon Nov 13 1995

Qs: V Crime Words,Internet's effect on Print,Lumpenproletariat

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  1. Vladimir Rykov, TV CRIME WORDS APPEAL
  2. , The Internet's effect on print media -- survey
  3. John DeVries, Lumpenproletariat


Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 14:54:33 TV CRIME WORDS APPEAL
From: Vladimir Rykov <>

 Dear Netfolks !

We are compiling a small mass media thesaurus - mainly to work with DB

But, now new realities have come here to Russia - and we don't have
either Russian or English words for them in our vocabulary.

My question is about names for TV crimes - the words and expressions
you use for describing them and the counter - (security) actions.

I mean - just for example - illegal show of ads - without paying,
stealing of progs, leaking of info about buying/producing of TV shows,
 ... etc

 - Please excuse my simple descriptions.

Please - send here anything close to the matter - maybe with brief

 Vladimir Rykov - Ling Institute /ORTV

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 * M * Linguistic Institute
 M M Moscow
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Message 2: The Internet's effect on print media -- survey

Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 09:20:09 The Internet's effect on print media -- survey
From: <>
Subject: The Internet's effect on print media -- survey

A reporter friend of mine is doing a story on the internet and the
effects if will have on print. Please respond if you have an opinion.

Scott Kiesling
Georgetown University

The Questions:

1. How do you use the Internet? For business, for communication (vs.
telephoning or writing a letter), for entertainment (surfing)?
2. Is the value of the Net to you in print or pictures (do you mainly read
text or view graphics)?
3. How much time do you spend on the above activities?
4. What effect is disseminating and retrieving information this way
having on the way people write, both on-line and on paper? Do you see
a change in the quality of other's writing? In your own? Is grammar,
syntax, sentence structure, and spelling deteriorating?
5. Is content suffering? One Net user says the electronic world is
like "written speech . . . to fire and forget" -- is this true, and is
it happening in print as well?
6. Are more people writing who never could have before (and shouldn't)?
Is the quality of thinking that goes into today's written word even worth
7. And if anyone can go on-line with an opinion and can represent
themselves as an authority even if their qualifications are shaky -- what is
the degree of truth? Is anyone filtering the info flow, as in moderated
newsgroups, and should they?.
8. Where do you think this is going? Will there be books and newspapers in
25 years?
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Message 3: Lumpenproletariat

Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 11:20:26 Lumpenproletariat
From: John DeVries <>
Subject: Lumpenproletariat

hello linguists, amateur and professional. I would appreciate some
assistance with the following: one of my graduate students is writing
an M.A. thesis in sociology on the application of the concept
"Lumpenproletariat" in North American sociology. In his conceptual
analysis he found reference to the etymology of the "lumpen-"
component as being English, rather than the german I would have
expected, or perhaps the Dutch "lompen" ("rags"). Does anyone in
linguist-land have some informed knowledge on this - sources in the
etymological literature, for example? Thank you for any assistance,
John de Vries
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