LINGUIST List 6.569

Sat 15 Apr 1995

Qs: IBM ads, [+foreign] pronunciations, Deep structure

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  1. Mary Ellen Ryder, Foreign language in IBM ads
  2. Mary Ellen Ryder, [+foreign] pronunciations
  3. Bill Griffin, Refutation of Deep Structure

Message 1: Foreign language in IBM ads

Date: Thu, 13 Apr 95 12:23:02 MSForeign language in IBM ads
From: Mary Ellen Ryder <RENRYDERidbsu.idbsu.edu>
Subject: Foreign language in IBM ads

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Greetings and apologies!

I haven't yet gotten off the stuff on foreign language in ads to those
who wanted it, but I haven't forgotten. However, I'm shameless enough
to ask for just a little more information, even though I'm not holding
up my end of the bargain. Am I right that the IBM ad with the diver
on the boat is in Greek? And does anyone know what the language of
the ad on the water taxi is? That's the one where the driver at the
end gets a call on his cellular phone about soy beans and says, "Sell."

Many thanks,

Mary Ellen Ryder
renryderidbsu.idbsu.edu
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Message 2: [+foreign] pronunciations

Date: Thu, 13 Apr 95 12:13:14 MS[+foreign] pronunciations
From: Mary Ellen Ryder <RENRYDERidbsu.idbsu.edu>
Subject: [+foreign] pronunciations

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Reading James Kirchner's summary of interesting observations on [+foreign]
pronunciations encouraged me to present a small but irritating puzzle
to the list. I live in Boise, Idaho, which most Americans pronounce with a
[z], [boyzi] as if it rhymed with "noisy". That in itself seems interesting
since it doesn't match English orthographical patterns, nor does it match
French, from which the word comes, of course (related to the word bois,
`forest, woods'). However, most of the locals pronounce the word with
an [s], [boysi]. This is what I find really mystifying, since neither
English nor French would have this pronunciation of the letter s between
vowels, silent or not. I've wondered if this came about because 1) it's
foreign and therefore must not match English, so use anything else that
comes to mind or 2) it's foreign, so every letter is pronounced
the way it "should" be, so s is [s] (though that doesn't explain the
pronunciation of the final e). I'm not a phonologist or an ortho-
graphist (?), so I'm open to more expert opinions.

Mary Ellen Ryder
renryderidbsu.idbsu.edu
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Message 3: Refutation of Deep Structure

Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 12:21:54 Refutation of Deep Structure
From: Bill Griffin <griffi21potsdam.edu>
Subject: Refutation of Deep Structure

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Currently, I am working on a critique of theoretical reductionism in
linguistics theory, especially chomsky's formulations. One area which
strikes me as problematic is the now defunct concept of "deep structure".
However, I am not familiar with those arguments that have already been made
against its ontological status. This would seem a logically prior step to
such an analysis.

I would greatly appreciate any help in directing me to refrences concerning
the refutation of "deep structure".

Thank you,
William Earl Griffin
griffi21potsdam.edu
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