LINGUIST List 7.424

Thu Mar 21 1996

Qs: Russian case, Nasals, Peregrinisme

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  1. VKEMPEUOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU, Q: Russian case
  2. Allan Wechsler, Mommy, where do nasals come from?
  3. "Melanie Misanchuk", peregrinisme

Message 1: Q: Russian case

Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 23:08:51 EST
Subject: Q: Russian case
Dear Linguists,

In extracting a corpus of Russian case-marked nouns I encountered the
following problem:

What case has to be assigned to forms like
v lesu
v shkafu
v prudu
v uglu
v tazu
na snegu
na mostu
 na polu ?

It is not the dative because the stress pattern is different in most
cases and it is not the prepos'su. (dative)

Ja vspominaju o le'se (prepositional) '
Ja priblizhajus k lesu. (dative)
Ja vspominaju o'.
Ja stoju v lesu.

It seems to affect only masculine nouns with a very typical locative
use. Are these situations where prepositional and locative dissociate
morphologically so that Russian in fact should be viewed as having 7
cases? Since I am not a linguist any help or references would be
greatly appreciated. Please contact me directly at

 --Vera Kempe

Department of Psychology
University of Toledo
Toledo, OH 43606-3390
phone: 419 5302417
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Message 2: Mommy, where do nasals come from?

Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 13:39:48 EST
From: Allan Wechsler <>
Subject: Mommy, where do nasals come from?

Perhaps the answer to the subject query is that, historically, nasal
segments always derive from earlier nasal segments.

Can anyone provide a clearcut example of nasal segments being
introduced ab nihilo? I would love to learn of an attested
phonological process that has no nasals on the left, but has them on
the right. An almost plausible hypothetical example would be

d -> n / t _ V

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Message 3: peregrinisme

Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 22:39:56 MST
From: "Melanie Misanchuk" <>
Subject: peregrinisme

Greetings linguists!

I am a grad student in French linguistics studying anglicisms in the
French popular press. In mid-February, I saw a reference to Bernard
Quemada's definition of "peregrinisme" on another list and have been
unable to find either the original Quemada work with a definition or
anyone who knows of it. Any leads would be most appreciated.

_cinq clous_

Melanie Misanchuk
University of Calgary
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