LINGUIST List 9.739

Mon May 18 1998

Qs: Bare stem,S. African, Algorithms, Focalization

Editor for this issue: Brett Churchill <brettlinguistlist.org>

Directory

1. CSRJ100, Bare Stem Condition
2. Stuart Robinson, Lingua Franca of S. African Mines
3. Ohlrich, Mark - Wichita, Non-English Soundex Algorithms
4. Clech Darbon Anne, Qs: French focalization

About 18 months ago I submitted a posting to the list on the 'try and do'
phenomenon after I noticed a friend of mine systematically using inflected
forms as in (1) in the sense of 'try to do', which for me are
ungrammatical. 

	John tries and takes the knife out of his pocket	(1)

A number of people replied to my posting, some saying they also found (1)
ungrammatical, others accepting it.

Since then, I've noticed that for a similar construction, 'come and do',
while I do accept the inflected form in (2), the perfect (3) and present 
continuous (4) are ungrammatical.

	John came and lived with us				(2)
	*John has come and lived with us			(3)
		(meaning 'John has come to live with us')
	*John is coming and living with us			(4)
		(meaning 'John is coming to live with us')

I'd like to find out whether people who accept (1) also accept the perfect
(4) and present continuous (5) versions

	John has tried and taken the knife out of his pocket	(4)
		(meaning 'John has tried to take.....')
	John is trying and taking the knife out of his pocket	(5)
		(meaning 'John is trying to take.....')

or whether they are ungrammatical for them, in the same way that 'has come
and done' and 'is coming and doing' is for me. 

I'd be very grateful for any insights LINGUIST readers are able to offer
on any of the examples above. Please reply to me privately to
<csrj100hermes.cam.ac.uk>. 

Thanks in advance,

Chris
_______________________________________________________________________
 Chris Johns, 146 Victoria Rd, Cambridge CB4 3DZ Tel: (01223) 362584
 24 Oaklands Ave, Littleover, Derby DE23 7QG Tel: (01332) 764792
_______________________________________________________________________

Hello. Someone recently asked me about a lingua franca used in S. African
mines which is now under threat since many workers are refusing to speak
it. I confessed that I knew absolutely nothing about it. Does anyone on
Linguist List know something? If so, could you please bring me up to speed?
Some references would be greatly appreciated. (And I don't just mean
articles in peer-reviewed journals, although they are always great;
newspaper and/or magazine articles would be okay.)

Regards,
Stuart Robinson

______________________

Stuart P. Robinson (Stuart.Robinsonanu.edu.au)
Linguistics Department, Australian National University
Canberra ACT 2612
PHONE: (02) 6249-0703 || FAX: (02) 6279-8214

Are there Soundex / Metaphone algorithms available for languages other than
English, such as French, German, Spanish, Japanese, Chinese, Portuguese,
etc?

Thank You!

Mark Ohlrich
mohlrichsulcus.com
Direct, Product Management
Sulcus Hospitality Technology 
316-685-2216 x325

Hello,
I am a student at the University of Paris III and I am currently working on
focalization in the French language. Initially a specialist in the study of
syntax, I later studied prosody and semantics. Given that my competence in
these fields is rather limited I would welcome any information about the
intonation of the focus and the focused sentence. Moreover I am highly
interested in any book, paper or comment about the French markers "meme",
"seul" and "aussi". 
I am very grateful to those who will help me on the subject. Anyone else
interested in French focalization can contact me at clechidf.ext.jussieu.fr