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I had originally responded to 9.755 (Sum) directly to Larry Trask, but seeing discussion continuing in 9.791 (Disc) I thought at least part of that response message of mine might also interest others: As for the basic problem itself, this seems to be complicated by other circumstances which appear to also have confused later investigators, and that is in my opinion (1) confusing suppletivism with allomorphy, and (2) mixing together the synchrony with the diachrony. (1) If a morpheme represents a class of morphs with the same positional predictability as, say, a phoneme represents a class of phones, then one may conclude, that a morph is some semantically or grammatically meaningful string of phonemes, whereas a morpheme is a correspondingly meaningful string of morphophonemes. As long as one only includes /s/, /z/, and /Yz/ as allomorphs of the suffix |Z| for noun plural, one can formulate strict rules, when the morphophoneme |Z| is reflected as /s/, or /z/, or /Yz/ on the phonemic plane. But when one includes the plural formants in _children_, _mice_, etc., into the set of allomorphs of |Z|, then of course the relationship of morpheme to morph becomes rather haphazardous. One reason for not knowing whether a thingummy is a simple or complex "morph" could be that one is allowing for such "morpheme" suppletivism. (2) Morphs and morphemes are features of the synchrony, as against roots which are historical and thus features of the diachrony. In the synchrony, the first component in _gooseflesh_ and _gooseberry_ should probably be seen as the same morpheme which we find in the word _goose_ "kind of fowl, of which the male is a gander". Not so in the diachrony, where, as everybody knows, the first component in _gooseberry_ has a different origin. Another reason for not knowing what that thingummy is could be that one is requiring non-complex morphemes/morphs on the synchronic plane to derive historically from unique morphemes/morphs of a proto-language. That _ren_ in _children_ may historically derive from several components reflected respectively in the _r_ and the _en_, but I don't think modern English offers any data that allow analysing that _ren_ into anything other than a simple, non-complex morph. In other words, I think that one may indeed try to figure out, whether a certain affix is historically complex or not, but whether some fragment of a word consists of one or more morphs (reflecting one or more morphemes) should actually be evident from the synchronically given data of the language. On a second thought, therefore, I don't think there is such a thing as "complex morph" or "complex morpheme", but only "complex affix", or "complex formant" (consisting of more than one morpheme). Regards, Waruno - --------------------------------------------------------------------- Waruno Mahdi tel: +49 30 8413-5404 Faradayweg 4-6 fax: +49 30 8413-3155 14195 Berlin email: mahdiMail to author|Respond to list|Read more issues|LINGUIST home page|Top of issuefhi-berlin.mpg.de Germany WWW: http://w3.rz-berlin.mpg.de/~wm/ - ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Dear Friends: One more note on the term "morph", calling attention to Eric P. Hamp, <italic>A Glossary of American technical linguistic usage 1925-1950</italic>, published by CIPL in 1957. Hamp does cite Hockett 1947 and also points out the analogy (allo)phone : phoneme = morph : morpheme.Mail to author|Respond to list|Read more issues|LINGUIST home page|Top of issue