LINGUIST List 13.661

Mon Mar 11 2002

Qs: Quechua/ "with", Motion Verbs & Manner

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  • Masha Vassilieva, 'with' in QUECHUA
  • Stathis Selimis, Motion Verbs + Manner

    Message 1: 'with' in QUECHUA

     Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 12:49:11 -0800 (PST)
    From: Masha Vassilieva <mvassiliyahoo.com>
    Subject: 'with' in QUECHUA


    Dear colleagues,

    I came across the following construction in Cuzco Quechua (Andean): (Diacritics omitted)

    noka-wan kam-wan wasi-yki-man risu-ntsix I.-with you.SG-with house-your-to go-1stPl FUt "You and I will go to your house"

    (from Stassen 2000:3)

    Does anybody know

    (1) Whether this language has another connector, the analogue of 'and' , in addition to WAN 'with' ?

    (2) If it does, can NPs and /or pronouns be coordinated by 'and'? Is 'and repeated after each conjunct, the way 'with' is?

    (3) Where else is 'wan' used? For instance, can one say I went to the store WAN-with Peter I opened the door WAN-with a key

    (4) Is there a Plural Pronominal construction in this language (similar to Russian my s nim pojdom domoj we with him go.1st Pl Fut home "He and I will go home."

    (5) What are the plural markers in this language? What I am after is: can WAN be a plural marker with either pronouns or nouns?

    (6) Are there morphological case markers? In other words, if WAN is a preposition, does it mark the (pro)noun for case?

    Thank you very much!

    Masha Vassilieva State University of New York at Stony Brook

    Message 2: Motion Verbs + Manner

     Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:26:14 +0000 (GMT)
    From: Stathis Selimis <sselimisyahoo.gr>
    Subject: Motion Verbs + Manner


    I am working on the coding of motion events in Greek (including child language). I would appreciate exchanging ideas on the following (methodological and theoretical) problems. I will post a summary of responses.



    1). Looking carefully at particular studies concerning motion verbs, it is clear that researchers do not agree -and are sometimes inconsistent even within their own published work- on what a motion verb is. Does, for instance, the body as a whole need to move or can more limited body motion also be included (e.g. slight facial movements on the one end and more visible movement like taking and putting things with one's hands on the other end)? More specifically, in published work "bring" and "take" are taken to be a motion verb but "put" often is not. What sorts of criteria should we use for deciding what a motion verb is?



    2). How can Manner be defined, so as we might have clear criteria on whether verbs code Manner or Path? In fact, researchers treat verbs like fall as lexicalizing Manner in some studies and Path in other studies.

    Stathis Selimis